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« Reply #300 on: May 21, 2006, 12:36:31 AM »

Yea Jabbs, but the fake nail was found in his trash can, in his bathroom.  His DNA is naturally going
to be in there.

I don't understand, Tidewater.  What would her fingernail broken off be doing in "his" bathroom?  with DNA underneath it?  Was there a struggle or wasn't there a struggle.  I believe her.  Now the attorneys will have to prove me wrong.  If those boys did that to her they need to lose their place in society.  There are more than enough perverts already out here.

Ponder this:  If all those Duke LaCrosse players KNEW what was going on and did nothing to stop it, they are just as guilty whether or not their DNA is anywhere near her body.  They made a choice not to participate, good for them, but they blew it if no one stepped up to the plate to stop it.  Now what if... there is/are witnesses to testify what really happened.  I don't think the DA pulled any rabbit out of the hat for a GRAND JURY to bind over for prosecution.  What did happen in that Grand Jury room to set them on their high horse?! 

If something fishy happened and there were lies and coniving to cover for the players then those doing the cover up need to also be prosecuted.  We are a nation of laws, not lies.  Would a parent do anything to get that little darling out of the fire?  You bet your bottom bippy.  Particularly if you have a lot of bippy's to spend.

Exactly why we should not discount this girl until the last fingernail is in.
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« Reply #301 on: May 21, 2006, 01:01:06 AM »

Another thing, McMann... what on earth would possess these guys to film the little lady while she was..uh...indisposed?  Now who said she was drunk?  Giving that information and film to media outlets and whomever else?  Is that what they did?  Timeline.  I don't belive a video camera would automatically advance the timeline to coincide with daylight savings time.  Question being, is there daylight savings time in Durham?  Was it in effect when the alleged rape took place?  I know, I know... inquiring minds and all.

I just find it all a little sickening someone would tape a helpless female struggling to regain composure.  I'm not at all impressed by the actions of allegedly bright students who happen to have criminal records of their own.  It's obvious to me what they think of the law since they do whatever they desire.  They should never have even been there.  I think that is called arrogance.  No matte, they will progress and become wealthy. The good ole boy system runs deep and wide in the south.  %%%%

I cannot get over the filming of her injuries, just like you would film a house before you RENT it. WTF8

Okay, okay.  I need to backtrack and read, but I'm not sure I'm reading the truth.  I wish the media would stop grandstanding and be more accurate, and I wish people would stop choosing sides like it's a spectator sport.  Why are they involved at all?  Of course.  Sex sells newspapers and television ads.  More greasing of the palmetto's.

But again, I will hold my main thoughts for real evidence.  So far we haven't been presented with a lot of information nor witnesses.  The other girl if flip flopping like a fish out of water and with good reason if you are fearful of your life and your children's lives.  :-X
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« Reply #302 on: May 21, 2006, 01:02:55 AM »

Exactly why we should not discount this girl until the last fingernail is in.  <-----------Haaaaa!! Now thats cool!!

Like TT and I were saying...If  the DA ain't got  anything, the defense will either be leaking/and or having
a press conference by Tuesday.  2 out of 3 of these guys want to go to trial..YESTERDAY!!
400 THOUSAND bucks is also alot to have tied up in bond $$$----especially if your innocent.  We might
know somthing as early as Monday as a matter of fact.
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« Reply #303 on: May 21, 2006, 01:14:08 AM »


Who's to say that these guys did not set everything up after the girl ran out. There are so many programs on TV these days dealing with dna etc, they could have cleaned under the fake nail then put it in the trash there by staging the evidence in their favor.
Even though I may get put down about this I'm thinking that if it was a white girl and the accused were black it would be a completely different out CRY.


You can't get put down for thinking out loud, Precious.  Everyone here is just trying to make some kind of sense out of whatever is happening.  I can't get over the audacity of some of the spin meisters B.S. over this case directly in conflict to how they treated the Scott Peterson case.  You would think butter wouldn't melt in their mouth. The only conclusion I have drawn thus far is the world is full of phonies and hypocrites.  I could name a few but ya already know em and they are still out there spreading the garnish, and yes it's green.  crazy
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« Reply #304 on: May 21, 2006, 01:25:33 AM »

Exactly why we should not discount this girl until the last fingernail is in.  <-----------Haaaaa!! Now thats cool!!

Like TT and I were saying...If  the DA ain't got  anything, the defense will either be leaking/and or having
a press conference by Tuesday.  2 out of 3 of these guys want to go to trial..YESTERDAY!!
400 THOUSAND bucks is also alot to have tied up in bond $$$----especially if your innocent.  We might
know somthing as early as Monday as a matter of fact.

I hope so Tidewater.  Since there is no gag order on file, I can only imagine both sides will be dripping like sieves by Tuesday morning (same time I have jury duty), adding more confusion to the pile.  I envision the drip drip drip will be much like the Aruba arrests.  New one today... just drives one to  &&&^^
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« Reply #305 on: May 21, 2006, 01:30:52 AM »

Hey, Hugs to you too.  I admitted hearing things on the fly and you know those pundit talking heads are enough to drive you up the wall.
Didn't the cab driver get arrested?  Tell me, tell me.  I will have time to start reading up on this case in a couple of weeks.  In the meantime I'm trying to glean a couple of hours off the knowlegeable ones over here who are on top of the case.  Thanks for checking in! and... PLEASE don't make me listen to Rita Cosby! :)~
Moez Mostafa was accused of stealing a purse from a store. And when the
DA found out he was a witness for the defense he did a background check
on him and found out he had an old warrant. So they picked him up on it.
But what actually happened was Mostafa picked up a woman from a Durham
department store and took her home. Mostafa later helped the security guard
locate this woman that stole the purse. The woman pleaded guilty to larceny
three months later. Mostafa said he thought he was done with the case until
he was arrested Wednesday.

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« Reply #306 on: May 21, 2006, 01:40:55 AM »

I don't understand, Tidewater.  What would her fingernail broken off be doing in "his" bathroom?  with DNA underneath it?  Was there a struggle or wasn't there a struggle.  I believe her.  Now the attorneys will have to prove me wrong.  If those boys did that to her they need to lose their place in society.  There are more than enough perverts already out here.
She says her finger nails came off during the strugle in the bathroom.
The players say she was in the bathroom painting her nails. After the
party the guys were cleaning up the home and while cleaning the
bathroom found her nails on the floor and picked them up and put
them in the trash can......Where there was already DNA from the
players from blowing their nose to swiping their butts. So the DNA
could have gotten on the nail that way. I also heard but not sure if
this is true,,,,that the DNA was found ON TOP of the nail.

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Ponder this:  If all those Duke LaCrosse players KNEW what was going on and did nothing to stop it, they are just as guilty whether or not their DNA is anywhere near her body.  They made a choice not to participate, good for them, but they blew it if no one stepped up to the plate to stop it.  Now what if... there is/are witnesses to testify what really happened.  I don't think the DA pulled any rabbit out of the hat for a GRAND JURY to bind over for prosecution.  What did happen in that Grand Jury room to set them on their high horse?! 

I agree with you, if there was a rape and the others watched or knew
it was happening and did nothing to stop it then they should also be
arrested. And the same goes for her, if she is lying then she should
also be arrested.

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If something fishy happened and there were lies and coniving to cover for the players then those doing the cover up need to also be prosecuted.  We are a nation of laws, not lies.  Would a parent do anything to get that little darling out of the fire?  You bet your bottom bippy.  Particularly if you have a lot of bippy's to spend.
Again I agree but so far what we have is detailed documents
phone records and other things proving that at least one of
them was NOT there the time she says she was raped. One of
them has proof he was at a restaurant. The last one that was
arrested took a LDT and he passed.

Is she willing to come forward to take a LDT?

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« Reply #307 on: May 21, 2006, 01:51:17 AM »

Moez Mostafa was accused of stealing a purse from a store. And when the
DA found out he was a witness for the defense he did a background check
on him and found out he had an old warrant. So they picked him up on it.
But what actually happened was Mostafa picked up a woman from a Durham
department store and took her home. Mostafa later helped the security guard
locate this woman that stole the purse. The woman pleaded guilty to larceny
three months later. Mostafa said he thought he was done with the case until
he was arrested Wednesday.

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BINGO!  Thanks Teary.  That eliminates one point of confusion.
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« Reply #308 on: May 21, 2006, 01:55:27 AM »

Another thing, McMann... what on earth would possess these guys to film the little lady while she was..uh...indisposed?  Now who said she was drunk?  Giving that information and film to media outlets and whomever else?  Is that what they did?  Timeline.  I don't belive a video camera would automatically advance the timeline to coincide with daylight savings time.  Question being, is there daylight savings time in Durham?  Was it in effect when the alleged rape took place?  I know, I know... inquiring minds and all.
They did not film her, they simply took pictures. An officer that came to check on her because
she would not get out of a car that belonged to another person she didn't even know. HE said
she was drunk.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191698,00.html
""The officer gave the dispatcher the police code for an intoxicated person and said the woman was unconscious. When asked whether she needed medical help, the officer said: "She's breathing and appears to be fine. She's not in distress. She's just passed-out drunk.""

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I just find it all a little sickening someone would tape a helpless female struggling to regain composure.  I'm not at all impressed by the actions of allegedly bright students who happen to have criminal records of their own.  It's obvious to me what they think of the law since they do whatever they desire.  They should never have even been there.  I think that is called arrogance.  No matte, they will progress and become wealthy. The good ole boy system runs deep and wide in the south.  %%%%
It was only a camera to take pictures, they did not video tape her.
I wouldn't call them criminal records, they were minor things IIRC.
I believe she is the one with the criminal record, stealing a cab.
 

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I cannot get over the filming of her injuries, just like you would film a house before you RENT it. WTF8

Okay, okay.  I need to backtrack and read, but I'm not sure I'm reading the truth.  I wish the media would stop grandstanding and be more accurate, and I wish people would stop choosing sides like it's a spectator sport.  Why are they involved at all?  Of course.  Sex sells newspapers and television ads.  More greasing of the palmetto's.

But again, I will hold my main thoughts for real evidence.  So far we haven't been presented with a lot of information nor witnesses.  The other girl if flip flopping like a fish out of water and with good reason if you are fearful of your life and your children's lives.  :-X
But you are choosing sides as well. It sounds like you already have
these men convicted on her word alone. Why would the other girl
be fearful of her life? I have not heard of anyone threatening her or
the accuser. But she did email a firm wanting to know how to spin
this situation to her advantage. SO I don't believe a word she has
to say.
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« Reply #309 on: May 21, 2006, 02:15:10 AM »

No, I am not choosing sides.  However, I choose to defend the girl until facts prove otherwise.  It appears she needs all the help she can get.  I choose to believe her.  If she is lying I agree with you that she needs to be prosecuted.  I have no way of knowing if she is lying or not, but I am sick to death of people making false accusations and getting away with it.  It seems nothing ever happens to them.  I only wish we did not have to wait until next year to get to the full story.  I'm not sure why the case is not ready to proceed.  As in the Peterson case they drug their feet for months to find more or new evidence to accuse him with.  There is something unethical about that in my mind when it is supposed to be a speedy trial. 

As far as the "Kidnapping" that could mean what?  They "pushed her into the bathroom?"  Forced her against her will is the only sense I get out of that.  It is not feasible that you are paying someone $400.00 to willingly sit in a bathroom and paint her nails.  I should think they could come up with a better story than that.

I do feel bad for the girl because it appears no one has ever come to her defense, past or present.  She could be having flashbacks for all I know, but it was apparently very real when she says someone was strangling her and forcing her to commit a sex act against her will.  That doesn't sound very chummy to me.  I suppose if she had sharper teeth she would have the evidence she needs to prove she was abused?!  >:(
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« Reply #310 on: May 21, 2006, 02:16:00 AM »

Yea, that sure blew up n her face didn't TT!!  ~r~0   ROTF   ROTF
The best one yet is the Evans guy and the mustache.
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« Reply #311 on: May 21, 2006, 02:18:01 AM »

Wow, thats somthing i didn't know.  She was paid 400 bucks?  Kind of cheap.  Where did you hear that Zold?
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« Reply #312 on: May 21, 2006, 02:51:52 AM »

Wow, thats somthing i didn't know.  She was paid 400 bucks?  Kind of cheap.  Where did you hear that Zold?

On this board Tidewater.  I've been reading like suggested.  C~H~K

Here is something else that helps me think something is rotten in Denmark:

Professor Houston Baker, who teaches English at the university, called for changes at the very top of the school administration.

"There's a kind of macho, cock-of-the-walk, boys culture that is characterizing this administration now and I hope there will be purges in the administration as there have been voluntarily, we're told, in the sports dept with the resignation of the lacrosse coach," he told Regan.


#1.  A player was vicious in his email citing that he wanted to cut the dancers skin off.  He put it in writing and is no longer a student at Duke.  Gross!

#2.  Why would a great coach like that take a hike.  Way too odd for me.  These kids may have been some kind of sport players, but the coach is not responsible for all of their actions. 

Not only did I find everything nicely posted by our FACTS SQUAD, there is also very interesting short TV news stories.  Jeffrey Toobin was pretty darned good.  My hats off to all you fact gathering people.  Great Job!

You know, years ago I observed a wonderful university go to pot in Iran at which time the Ayatollah took over.  A young woman was loudly protesting and begging the out of control male students to stop what they were doing and they crushed her to death like a bug in the street.  She couldn't have been more than nineteen.  I wonder what the warnings are to guard against such activity in our own colleges and universities.  When do we begin to disapprove such statements as the student who is surely full of hatred for being ousted from the prestigious university.  To whom will he direct that hate and anger.  Perhaps Professor Baker can enlighten us because there seems to be a downgrading value placed on human life while arrogance and ignorance gains ground.
In my humble opinion of course.
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« Reply #313 on: May 21, 2006, 03:06:21 AM »

OK thanx Zold--how Ironic..she got paid a measly 400 bucks and the 3 players got charged 400,000 (to stay out
of jail)  Did you hear about Evans and the mustashe?
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« Reply #314 on: May 21, 2006, 03:25:41 AM »

OK thanx Zold--how Ironic..she got paid a measly 400 bucks and the 3 players got charged 400,000 (to stay out
of jail)  Did you hear about Evans and the mustashe?

Apparently all of the girls were to get $400.  Two of them came late and left due to the atmosphere. They were the smart ones to know when to run.  I'm sure they will be appearing in court.  As far as the players getting charged to stay out of jail?  I hope for their mothers sake they didn't deserve it.  I cannot fanthom charges being made without the Grand Jury having any facts. I think that this is probably the most expensive bail out over a period of time.  The others have been juvenile actions that probably did not warrant bail.  It's not like they aren't familiar with the penal system.

Ah yes.  The mustache man.  Could have been a prop?  Could have been a runner up or a shoe in.  Only the phanthom knows, unless... of course... nah... speculation.  But I hear mustaches are made to shave.  He will be home free if no pictures surface with a mustache.  So actually that statement can exonerate him. :D

I have to go to bed now. zzzzzz Goodnight.
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« Reply #315 on: May 21, 2006, 03:34:57 AM »

Goodnight Zoldie...remember, in Grand Jury Proceedings---there are no defense attys..just the prosecutor.
I'm sure you've heard the saying " you can indite a ham sandwhich with a Grand Jury"..obviously true.
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« Reply #316 on: June 09, 2006, 12:33:27 PM »

They need to just do away with this case and let these boys
get on with their lives. I can't believe there is any way the DA
will get a guilty verdict.
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« Reply #317 on: June 10, 2006, 01:11:36 AM »

They need to just do away with this case and let these boys
get on with their lives. I can't believe there is any way the DA
will get a guilty verdict.

Have you heard the latest TT---seems like the prosecuter witheld Kim Roberts initial statement about
being with the "accuser" the entire time---That would have been to the judge that issued the warrant
for the DNA samplen'--Sounds like the guy might be in trouble after that!
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« Reply #318 on: June 10, 2006, 12:29:00 PM »

Have you heard the latest TT---seems like the prosecuter witheld Kim Roberts initial statement about
being with the "accuser" the entire time---That would have been to the judge that issued the warrant
for the DNA samplen'--Sounds like the guy might be in trouble after that!

His ass needs to be in big trouble. Then sending the defense something like 33 thousands
pages that were not in order and making them have to search for the evidence in all
the paper work. Plus the accuser saying Kim helped in the rape.

This case if over and the DA needs to admit that and leave these boys alone.
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